Why so expensive when max drag is so little?

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Can you explain the relation between max drag and max fish weight that it can handle?
I see that Ocea Jigger Reel has only 7KG max drag in spite of the fact that it is very expensive.

There’s no equation between max drag and max catch size. Remember the fish weighs almost 0kg in the water!
If you are skilled in fish fight, you can bring home a 20kg fish with 5kg drag. Also we always load at least 600m line. We would need big margin to wear down the fish since a lot of times we can’t stop the fish.

When you fight with the light line like PE2.0, you don’t want to put on no more than 5.0kg drag.
Your line may hold more than 5kg for the straight tension, (Shimano EX8 PE2.0 is 40lb or 18kg class), but there are other considerations you should pay.

  • Your knots usually holds less weight. About 60% to 80%.
    See the article on line and knots

  • Max drag is measured when the line is loaded to maximum on the spool. In the actual fight, your line is out of the spool for the depth where the fish is. Your line load is less in diameter. Your spool is harder to be dragged to turn. It means the line will be tensioned by far more than 5kg when the spool starts to turn.
  • PE line is strong for straight tensions. But it’s very weak for frictions. You would only need less than 1kg to break the line by friction. When the drag is on, the line out of the spool will be holding the straight tension, but the line on the spool may be holding the friction. This is why the line needs to be spooled as tight as possible, and the line needs to be loaded as neatly as possible so that the line is not crossing the one underneath to create frictions. Fluffy load or crossed load can easily snap.

I suppose you are looking at OJ1500HG. I recommend to set the drag at 3kg with that reel. And that’s enough for the fish that this reel can handle. (Of course you may use your thumb or increase drag during the fish fight if it’s needed.)


Shimano reels are so fine and specific with drag adjustments.

Whether the reel is a lever drag or a star drag, let’s suppose that the reel has 20 notches toward max drag. Let’s say Shimano is 7kg max. It means you can increase 0.35kg average per notch. If you have a reel with 20kg max drag, you increase 1kg average per notch. It means you can control the drag more finely with Shimano reel. 1kg sudden drag increase can do a lot of damage to the light line. And in reality, because the line load is smaller during the fight, the actual drag increase is more than 1kg at the depth you are fishing.

I said “average” because, in reality, drag pressure per notch increases significantly toward the end.

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It’s like, drag increases 0.2kg per notch for the first 15 notches, but it increases 1kg per notch for the last 5 notches.

It is non-sense to think that expensive reel should have big drag capacity. Unless it’s “finely controllable” big drag capacity.

Shimano could easily engineer bigger drag capacity if they want to. After all, it’s just a disc brake. But as they have developed in the competitive Japan market, they have learned that fine-controllable smooth drag is far more important than mere max drag capacity for demanding Japanese anglers who like to fish with light lines.

I hope you find this article informative and helpful to you!

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  1. Brahim
    Brahim07-31-2016

    Hi,

    Yesterday I made a big mistake with the drag setting on a Torium 16. I set it to the max (14lbs on my model). At 150 m depth a big fish hit the jig. Three times it carried the jig around leaving the line without any tension and then suddenly diving pulling quite a lot of line.

    The Ocea EX8 1.5 line broke, probably near the PR knot.

    My questions are:

    1) Is PE line affected by grease and oil in the reels? The day before, while I was carrying the reel with no drag the line snagged inside the reel and I had to partially disassemble the reel to set it back on the spool.

    2) If I use the correct drag setting, would Ocea EX8 1.5 be enough to carefully bring back to the boat fish we encounter here such as tuna, swordfish, small sharks, Mediterranean spearfish or a big greater amberjack

    3) If 1.5 isn’t enough, will 2 do it or do I need even more?

    4) When doing the PR knot is it possible to damage the line if pulling too much when doing the half hitches ?

    Hope this helps someone else.

    Thanks for advice

    • Totos
      Totos08-09-2016

      I’m sorry you lost the big fish. It’s a constant learning process, isn’t it? You always have to take chances too. Light line for contact rate or heavy line for catch rate.
      Grease wouldn’t affect the line but it’s possible that snagginf has damaged the line, I think. Half hitch can damage the line if you do it too tight.
      Have fun learning!

  2. atila
    atila10-13-2016

    Hi Totos,

    Your amazing site is highly addictive and I am learning a lot. I have a question about this toppic. In med me and my friends mostly targeting grouper and snapper (and their cousins)
    If I let +15kg fish to face my 5kg drag they directly go under a stone and 50% they never leave. What do you recomend?

    • Totos
      Totos10-24-2016

      Hi Atila.
      Thank you so much for supporting Japanese Angler’s Secrets.

      Yes, this is inevitable with fishing with light line.
      A 15kg fish does not weight 15kg in the water. Actually they weight 0kg in the water. What we are up against is their swimming power. But I know what you mean.

      You have 2 options.
      Thumb to stop, or free the spool.
      Read more in this article.
      http://www.anglers-secrets.com/fish-fight-part-2-fighting-strategies/

      There is a lot more to it, but it’s just too hard to explain in words.
      Good luck

  3. Syukri
    Syukri01-19-2017

    Hi totos. Can you tell more about shimano ocea jigger reel? It is suitable for what rod or technique ? Long fall? Slow pitch? Or high pitch ?

    • Totos
      Totos01-19-2017

      Hi Syukri.
      I would not select a reel in accordance to match the rod. The power (gear ratio) and the speed (max retrieve length per crank) are 2 major factors. The following is not based on specific data. Just my own personal perceptions. Just to give some ideas. Because it always depends greatly on the oceanic conditions.

      === Long fall ===
      Long fall doesn’t require speed. But you tend to have a relatively heavy jig to the rod, therefore, in slow action tone.
      OJ1500HG, probably up to 260g max, probably up to 130m. (you need to work a lot with max weight and water, though)
      OJ2000HG, basically any jig, any depth.

      === slow pitch ===
      Slow pitch requires a balance of power and speed in the reel. Both models have enough speed. You just need to work more to compensate the short power of the reel in some situations.
      OJ1500HG, up to 230g, up to 100m, for your comfortable practice.
      OJ2000HG, more than 300g, up to 200m.

      === high pitch ===
      High power and high speed is required for high pitch jigging.
      OJ1500HG, with up to 150g, up to 70m
      OJ2000HG, with up to 220g, up to 120m.

      (L50Hi, up to 260g, up to 150m)

      This is based on an assumption that you are somehow vertical. If you are free-drifting, it’s hard to stay vertical. When you are little vertical, you would want more speed and power in your reel. When you are far from vertical, slow pitch doesn’t work no matter reel you have.

      Hope it helps your decisions.

      • Syukri
        Syukri01-19-2017

        Tq totos. I like your articles so much. Because im new in jigging. One thing, how the overhead reel like SOM,OJ, etc control the line in a spool. I saw every overhead reel doesnt have any level winder. How to use overhead reel? Is it for professional angler? Sorry , this question not related to main subject.

        • Totos
          Totos01-19-2017

          Hi Syukri.
          Thank you very much for your compliments.
          Here’s the related article on the level winder.
          http://www.anglers-secrets.com/why-do-we-use-the-reel-without-levelwider/

          You just need to guide the line with your thumb or a finger when you pull up the jig. You can’t do the line management when you are fighting the fish, still, there are some time you can do line management when the fish is not fighting so much.

          One thing for sure is that we are using a light PE line against possibly monsters. We want to be extra careful with the line. Absolutely no friction to damage the line. We have no margin to take risks as far as the line is concerned.

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