Ocea Jigger 1500 or 2000?

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Shimano Ocea Jigger

I often get this question. So here’s my opinion.

Ocea Jigger is definitely the most popular reel for slow pitch jiggers. It’s got the speed and the torque in a beautiful balance. The precision gear technology is Shimano’s speciality. After all, Shimano started out as a gear manufacturer. The drag is silky smooth and the sensitivity is also outstanding. It’s durable. The product quality control is excellent.

Here’s the glance at the specs of OJ1500 and OJ2000.

OJ1500HG OJ2000NR-HG
Gear Ratio 6.3 6.2
Max Speed 97cm per crank 117cm per crank
Max Drag 7kg 10kg
Weight 390g 555g
Handle Length 70mm 85mm
Regular Price JPY47,000 JPY52,000
reel weight

DSCF0898 copyOJ2000 is heavier than OJ1500, but I’ve never felt it’s too heavy and never heard anyone say that. With slow pitch jigging, you can keep playing all day. No sweat.
One day as my experiment, I played slow pitch all day with SOM L120Hi, which is 800g. I found it became difficult toward the end of the day. But not just because it’s heavy, but also because it’s so big that I can’t ‘palm’ the reel comfortably. If I could ‘palm’ the reel, I personally don’t think it’s so difficult.

If you feel OJ2000 is heavy, I advise you to look at your body mechanics first. If your forearm is hurting, you are having trouble palming the reel comfortably. Look if there’s any other way to hold the reel with your full palm more comfortably. If your triceps are hurting, you are only using your arm to make actions. Once you hold the reel in your palm comfortably, stabilize your elbow at 90 degrees. And move your shoulders to make the actions. You have all the big muscles to move your shoulders. Let them do the work, not the arm. Also, remind yourself that when you lift the rod, you are reeling too, and that means you can help the lift with your reeling hand.
You are working against not just the weight of the reel, but also the jig weight and all the water resistance that your line and the jig is catching. If you are aligned and palming the reel comfortably, the reel weight is not much of a problem. If you can’t palm it comfortably, the size is too big.

Mapping the rod actions on the clock →

Narrow Spool

OJ2000 has a narrow spool, which require less line management. By the way, these reel do not have level winder. The level winder could be the biggest threat for the line, the most vulnerable part that causes mechanical troubles, and just one more blockage for you from collecting little information from the line. Anyway, OJ2000 with the narrow spool, on the other hand, loses more speed as the spool releases the line. As the spool releases the line, the diameter of the line load becomes smaller, thus, the retrieve length per crank becomes less. The narrow spool loses the diameter faster.

For example, OJ2000 max speed is 117cm. The speed may be about 85cm at 100m deep, while it might have been 90cm if it were a wide spooled reel. How much the reel loses the speed at the depth depends on the line too. If the line is lighter (smaller diameter), the reel loses less diameter, therefore, loses less speed.

Still, OJ2000 has got such an outstanding speed to start with anyway. According to slow pitch principles, if you have 75cm per crank speed at the depth you are fishing, you have a good range to play different slow pitch tactics. You never have too much speed. Because you can always play 1/2 a crank per pitch, 1/4, or 1/8. When the reel has more speed, it has less power. Shimano has maximized these 2 elements in a beautiful balance.

OJ1500 is not a narrow spool. So it loses less speed?
Well, it doesn’t. Actually OJ2000 and OJ1500 have the same spool width, 25mm. OJ2000 is a bigger reel but the spool width stays the same. 25mm is a good size for your line management. Especially with PE2.0 or lighter, you want to be careful with the line crossing on the spool load. When the line is crossed, the digging of the fish fight or the snagging may easily break the line. You need to manage the line load manually and this is what you pay for not having the level winder. But it’s rather easy with 25mm spool.

Handle Length

The handle length. This is more important. Slow pitch utilizes various sequent reeling actions, not steady reeling, so it’s hard with a short handle. The length is also the retrieve power just like how the gear ratio works. Longer handle generates more power with ease. When you go deeper with a heavy jig or when you fight with a big fish, this is not negligible.

OJ1500 has a 70mm handle length. This is too short.

OJ1500 Limited was released with a 85mm handle, answering the requests of slow pitch anglers. But it’s got reverse drag that may make many anglers hesitate.

37946218What I recommend is to get a 85mm handle arm for OJ2000 to replace.

The replacing work is easy and the price is only JPY2,800.

If you want cool T-bar custom handle, Studio Ocean Mark, CCM, and Livre.
My recommend is Studio Ocean Mark. They have a new low-priced model with aluminum handle arm (JPY16,740), along with the high-end 30t carbon arm (JPY27,000)

Studio Ocean Mark AE85/95Aa →

With any handle, I recommend 85mm max for OJ1500 and 95mm max for OJ2000. Longer handle may be too powerful for the gears.

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conclusion

The choice between OJ1500 and OJ2000 should be determined by the water resistance you are in. The water resistance is determined by jig weight, depth, currents, line weight (how much current the line catches), and how vertical you are.

But to give you a simple guideline;

  • OJ1500HG if you are fishing from 50m to 100m
  • OJ2000NR-HG if you are fishing from 70m to 120m

This is based on the condition that you are somehow vertical with the jig. If you are free-drifting, or better drifting with sea-anchor, and having troubles staying vertical, you may want to increase jig weight, use lighter line, stay shallower waters, and use OJ2000NR-HG. Because you have line slack to retrieve to move the jig in each pitch.

So even if you are fishing at 50m to 70m, you may want to use 200g or heavier and OJ2000NR-HG may work better.

line load

When you load the line, I recommend to get as long a PE line you can afford. The price per meter is cheaper. Shimano EX8 sells 600m. It’s cheaper than double the price of 300m. 600m is more cost effective.
Always load the maximum capacity of the reel to get the max speed. You can put on mono line at the base, connected to PE by PR knot or FG knot, and load PE to max capacity. Sometimes it takes a couple of tries to find the appropriate line volume for the mono base.
When you are unfortunate to have PE cut, reload with more mono base underneath. I always make sure I have PE line at least 100 meter more than the depth, or double the length of the depth if it’s deeper than 100 meter. When you hit a big fish with light line, you need to give away as much line as the circumstances allow. So that the water resistance the long line catches will help to wear down the fish, and that the impacts of fish fight will be spread out through the long line, preventing the line break.
When you are done with a season or 2 and when it’s time to replace PE, you can just cut the line you normally use. Revealing the fresh PE underneath. And add more mono base to reach the max load.

For example, I’m fishing from 50m to 200m. My main depth is 100m. I always buy 600m. Then PE loads shorter over the seasons. More mono, less PE. I put on sticker with a note how much PE left on the load. When it becomes shorter than 400m, I make my mental note that I won’t use this reel for 200m. When it becomes shorter than 300m, I still use it in my normal field, but I start saving to replace to a new load.

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  1. Itsik
    Itsik12-25-2013

    Thanks a lot Totos for this article.
    I already ask you those questions but now thanks to you everyone can read it.

    My question what about the Rod?

    Is there a diffrence when you have Soft (light) or Hard Rod?

  2. Mark crewe
    Mark crewe12-26-2013

    Hi Totos
    Great report on the reels, what’s your view on the ryoga c2025 shl reel ?. I only really fish in about 50 meters but like the idea of the level wind. When you say it will lose sensitivity how much ?. It looks a solid reel with a good gear ratio.

    Mark

    • Totos
      Totos12-27-2013

      Hi Mark.
      Ryoga Bay Jigging. Yes, indeed, a very nice reel.
      The speed is 87cm per crank. It’s a descent spec, especially when you fishing around 50m. But the gear ratio is 7.4 : 1. It’s such a high gear, whereas the speed isn’t so much. It’s not powerful, but it’s not so fast either. And the handle is short as 70mm long. The regular price is JPY58,275. Pretty high actually.
      I can’t tell how much sensitivity the level winder loses, but putting it aside, Ocea Jigger would still be my choice as a jigger. It doesn’t mean you can’t slow pitch with Ryoga, though.

  3. J Ong
    J Ong12-28-2013

    Hi Toto

    The new Studio Ocean Mark carbon handle for Ocea Jigger comes in 90mm and 78mm. Different between 1500 stock handle is 8mm. Is it enough to make a different. Is 90mm too much for 1500?
    I currently have the 1500 and 2000 both HG. Can the 2000 handle fit onto 1500 body?

    Thanks

    • Totos
      Totos12-28-2013

      Hi J Ong.
      Yes, I think it’s no question that a 85mm handle fits best with OJ1500 for jigging. I don’t know why Shimano still stays with a 70mm handle.
      The carbon handle of SOM is super sensitive. It delivers all the information from the line to your hand. But is 90mm too long for OJ1500? … I don’t know… It might be a little out of balance. I just don’t know. I’ve never seen the match.
      Yes, OJ2000 handle fits OJ1500.

  4. J Ong
    J Ong12-28-2013

    Sorry. Just check handle is 85/73mm.

  5. Mark crewe
    Mark crewe12-30-2013

    Hi Totos
    Thanks for some great advice, I didn’t even think about the power issue. Is there any other reel out there with a level wind you could recommend ?. I was wondering if the Calcutta with a longer handle fitted could be an option.

    Mark

    • Totos
      Totos01-03-2014

      Negative, Mark. All the pros recommend the reel without the level wind now. Mainly because of the sensitivity issue. If you worry about the line management, narrow spool is recommended.

  6. Mark
    Mark01-04-2014

    Hi Totos
    Thanks I suppose I’m just getting lazy in my old age and thought it would be easier. Think ocea jigger 2000 is the best option.

    Mark

  7. Mark
    Mark04-06-2014

    Hi Totos
    How much backing would you need on a 2000nr hg with 600meters of pe 2.

    • Totos
      Totos04-11-2014

      Sorry Mark. I don’t measure it.
      It’s been a while since the last time I had PE2.0 on OJ2000NR-HG. But i think you hardly need it. Maybe just a little to cover the base of the spool? It depends on how tight you load the line too.
      I sometimes do unload and reload to get the maximum load. There’s a product like this really convenient. You can adjust the tension on the line too. JPY4200.

  8. Mark
    Mark04-11-2014

    Wow that looks a really good tool thanks Totos

  9. Alex
    Alex06-25-2014

    Hi Totos,
    Great articles and great site! Thank you for sharing.
    How about a Saltiga Z30 or Z30L? Would this be a good alternative to Ocea Jigger 2000NR?
    Thanks.
    Alex

    • Totos
      Totos06-29-2014

      Hi Alex. Thank you very much for your comment.
      Yes. Saltiga reel has good spec for slow pitch jigging.

  10. ray
    ray07-01-2014

    Hai Totos,
    can i ask one question. which one better for length double assist hook.
    it is front jig or rear jig??

  11. rolando jr. jeremillo
    rolando jr. jeremillo09-07-2014

    Hello Totos,
    I just received an OJ 200 Nrpg as a gift from my wife. I was just wondering what the dial on the handle side is for. I tried to look it up since my manual is in Japanese but failed to find any answers in the net as well..

    • Totos
      Totos09-10-2014

      Hi Rolando.
      Wow, your wife gave you a OJ2000 as a gift. Lucky you!!! How sweet.
      The dial is called mechanical break. It’s brake control on a drop down, when the spool is free. You’d want the fastest speed, but not as fast as it backlashes.

  12. Sidney Gonzalez
    Sidney Gonzalez10-08-2014

    hi Toto i came here from information about Shimano Ocea Jigger 2000NR , because 1 by one for just 100 us dolars , and i encouter a wonderfull website you have a lot the good stafe here and the cooking part and fish gyude its amazing ! Sorry about the poor english…;o)
    best from the Santos -SP-Brasil !

    • Totos
      Totos10-11-2014

      Hi Sidney.
      Thank you very much for your compliments.
      Hope my site will enrich your enjoyment with the ocean!
      Totos

  13. TK
    TK10-13-2014

    Hi Toto, I learned a lot from your site and videos. I have been light jigging with spinning for a little while and would like a conventional setup to handle heaver jigs and deeper water. Do you recommend using ocea jigger 2000NR-HG for jigging at around 200m deep water with 400-560g jig? The fish size is normally less than 10kg. If lucky, 20kg jacks or grouper could be hooked.
    Big Thanks!

    • Totos
      Totos10-14-2014

      Hi TK.
      OJ2000NR-HG can handle the fish of that size. But the water influence and the jig weight may be a little too much for your comfortability. You can probably do longfall with it. I don’t think you are doing high pitch.
      If you are drifting with sea-anchor at that depth, longfall or high pitch are the only things you can do.

  14. Jonah
    Jonah05-26-2015

    Hi totos,
    Is it better to change the stock handle on OJ2000hg to a longer handle from SOM or CCM if you are fishing in depths greater than 100m?

    • Totos
      Totos06-06-2015

      Hmmm. I wouldn’t say it’s necessary, but, yes, those long handles would sure help you dance with heavy jigs. SOM is raised and very expensive now. (JPY27,000) CCM is hard to get (still possible). (JPY17,820) Now Livre is available. (JPY21,600)
      http://www.livre-megatech.com/products/baitcasting/bj_92_100/index.html
      All these are sure quality but the prices are very sexy too.

      There are cheaper products in the world. But at least, don’t buy one with a screw to attach the bar.

  15. AdnanZafar
    AdnanZafar07-09-2015

    Hi Totos , I have a question , for fish size of 25 to 30 kg what is the best rod & reel you recommend for sliw jigging ( relax- jerking jigging ) ? If you pls be specific with rod & reel models number

    • Totos
      Totos07-11-2015

      Hi Adnan.
      You want to know the best… For big fish like that.
      With slow pitch jigging, SOM L50Hi.
      With high pitch jigging, SOM L120Hi.

      The rod doesn’t matter for the size of the fish. I would recommend to have 2 different power models of Slow Jerker (probably 603-4 and 603-6, considering the depth) and 1 high pitch jerker (501 or 410).

  16. Luís
    Luís08-19-2015

    Hi totos. I need your help. I need de OJ 2001NR-HG manual in english. I can’t find it anywere!!!. Mine is in japonese. Thank you so much.

    Luís

    • Totos
      Totos08-20-2015

      Hi Luis.
      I’m afraid there’s no English manual for Ocea Jigger.
      What do you want to know? I will try to help you as much as I can.

      • Luís
        Luís08-21-2015

        Thank you for reply Totos. I bought the left handle model and I would like to know about the button on the right. That says free or lock? Free i understand, but wen i put it on lock, the spool does not move??. Whats the meaning wen you put it on lock?

        Many thank’s

        Luís

        • Yu Hang Wai
          Yu Hang Wai08-29-2015

          Hi Luis,
          Lock simply means u lock to spool completely. I usually use it when i’m hook to bottom structures and decide to just break free from it.

          • Totos
            Totos08-30-2015

            Thank you Yu. That’s right.
            But I don’t use this feature. When you use light line, locking the spool and putting on the big traction may damage the line on the spool.

            • Yu Hang Wai
              Yu Hang Wai08-30-2015

              Thanks Totos,

              I do feel my line embedding into the line in spool when i lock my spool to break free. Maybe i should stop doing it.

  17. Yu Hang Wai
    Yu Hang Wai08-29-2015

    Hi Totos,

    Is ocea 2000 spool narrower then 1500 and loses more retrieve on depth? I personally have used both and I do feel the ocea 2000 has a faster retrieve.

    Anyway i do really like your articles they are really great stuffs especially for those wanting to try slow jigging. Thanks a lot.

    • Totos
      Totos08-30-2015

      Glad you like my site, Yu
      OJ2000 and OJ1500 has the same spool width.
      2000HG has 117cm retrieve per crank. 2000PG has 96cm. 1500HG has 97cm. 1500PG has 78cm.
      This is the max in spec. In actual use, the speed depends on what line you use.

      • Yu Hang Wai
        Yu Hang Wai08-30-2015

        Thank you Totos,

        I’m using a pe2.5 for the ocea 1500hg and pe 3 for the 2000pg. I guess there isn’t too great a difference between 2.5 and 3. maybe that’s why i feel the 2000pg was faster.

        Anyhow, I gotten myself a 2000hg with pe3 and reload my 2000pg with pe2.5. Do you think this is a good change?

        Thank you.

        • Totos
          Totos08-31-2015

          Hi Yu.
          So you were comparing OJ2000PG and OJ1500HG. I wasn’t sure.
          PE2.5 loses less speed. Now your OJ2000PG should have about the same speed as OJ1500HG. Not really good or bad.
          If you want more contacts, you have to risk to go light. PE2.5 and PE3.0 is a big difference when you go 100m deep. PE1.5 would be a total different world from PE3.0.

  18. Ben
    Ben10-21-2015

    Hi Totos,

    Your site is phenomenal! Thank you!
    Im new to slow pitch.
    When using OJ 1500 or 2000HG, do I have to lay line while working the jig?
    Fishing only up to 100m max.

    Thanks!!

    • Totos
      Totos10-29-2015

      Hi Ben.
      No, I don’t worry about leveling the line load while working the jig.
      The only thing I worry about is having the line crossing. When you fight a big fish, line can break at the crossing on the spool.
      When you play at 100m deep, you probably work the jig for 20m off the bottom. Just be careful when you pull up the jig for 80m.

  19. Zaidi
    Zaidi12-01-2015

    Its a big wow for u bro… good article and good answer for every question… like to read all the coment.. really helpfull for the beginer like me… million thanks bro

    • Totos
      Totos12-04-2015

      Hi Zaidi.
      Thank you for your compliment. It’s been 3 years now. Sometimes I look back and say wow to myself.
      I respect your enthusiasm to read all this too!

  20. Yazz
    Yazz12-11-2015

    Konnichiwa Totos sensei. I have a trinidad 14A and was looking for a replacement handle. Could OJ 2000 handle fit into it? And quite difficult to look for original part over the net. Can I order from you?

    • Totos
      Totos12-14-2015

      Hi Yazz.
      Yes. Trinidad 14 is Ocea Jigger 1500. The handle is 70mm.
      You can replace with the longer handle 85mm for OJ2000 onto OJ1500. I can get it at JPY2800. Send me an email.

  21. dionisis
    dionisis03-02-2016

    thank you

  22. jahjah86
    jahjah8605-23-2016

    Hi Totos,

    Great article again…
    I have in possession one OCEA Jigger 1501 HG and one OCEA Jigger 2001NR HG.
    I’d like to replace the 1501 HG handle which is quite small by a 2001NR HG handle. Unfortunately, I cannot find the original OCEA Jigger parts online. I can find only the custom from SOM or Livre but IMO they are just too expensive.
    Do you know where I could get that?

    In advance thank you,

    Raph

    • Totos
      Totos05-26-2016

      Hi Raph.
      I can get it for you. 85mm handle arm for OJ2000s, which fit into OJ1500s. JPY2800, plus shipping and handling.
      I’ll send you an email.

  23. Ahmed Adel
    Ahmed Adel07-20-2016

    Hi , Could anybody explain to me the relation between Max drag and the Max fish weight can handle ? as I see here an Ocea Jigger Reel has only 7KG Max drag and it is expensive not cheap at all

    • Totos
      Totos07-27-2016

      Hi Ahmed.
      There’s no equation between max drag and max catch size. Remember the fish weighs almost 0kg underwater.
      When you fight with the light line like PE2.0, you don’t want to put on no more than 5.0kg drag. Your line may hold more than that for the straight tension, but don’t forget that the drag may create friction on the line load. (PE line is so weak for friction.)

      Plus, Shimano reels can be so specific with how much drag you increase. Whether it’s a lever drag or a star drag, let’s supposed the reel has 20 notches for the max drag. Shimano is 7kg max. It means you can increase 0.35kg average per notch. If you have a reel with 20kg max, you increase 1kg average per notch. It means you can control the drag more finely with Shimano reel. 1kg sudden drag increase can do a lot of damage to the light line.
      I said “average” because, in reality, drag per notch increases significantly toward the end. It’s like, the drag increases 0.2kg per notch for the first 15 notches, and it increases 1kg per notch for the last 5 notches.

      It is non-sense to think that expensive reel should have big drag power. Unless it’s “finely controllable” big drag power.

  24. dror dakar
    dror dakar09-06-2016

    i whant to ask if ican slow pitce white power lexa 400 hd

    • Totos
      Totos09-18-2016

      As long as it is a model that retrieves more than 35″ per crank, it should be OK. You would want to get a longer handle, though.

  25. Le Roy
    Le Roy10-17-2016

    HI, I am choosing between a Trinidad 16N or a Ocea Jigger 2000NR, which would you choose among the 2? and does the OJ have a clicker? Thanks!

    • Totos
      Totos10-24-2016

      Hi Le Roy.
      They are the same model. OJ2000NR is from Shimano Japan, made in Japan. Trinidad 16N is from Shimano USA. I don’t know where they make it. Different manufactures but the design is exactly the same.

  26. Le Roy
    Le Roy10-17-2016

    In addition to my question, what is the difference between 2001nr pg and 2000nr pg? Thanks!

    • Totos
      Totos10-24-2016

      2000 is righthand. 2001 is lefthand.

  27. jeff wick
    jeff wick10-31-2016

    hi toto is there any video clip how to use the drag system including star drag lever..i have one but i do not have idea in star drag sorry for my newbie question…:P very much appreciated thnx

    • Totos
      Totos11-16-2016

      Hi Jeff.
      Welcome to the world of jigging.
      How to use the drag system… Hmmm… I don’t know where you are stumbling. Maybe you should go to a nearby pro-shop and ask them your questions. It should be much easier for you to understand in person with a reel. I need more specific questions to help you.
      Good luck!

  28. eduardo
    eduardo11-22-2016

    Hi toto! you hace a great forum! very nice!
    I have one question, between trinidad 16 and 16N, what is the same that the ocea jigger 2000?

    • Totos
      Totos12-13-2016

      Yes, it’s the same design, by different manufactures. OJ2000 is made in Japan by Shimano Japan. Trinidad is made by Shimano USA (I don’t know where they make it.) OJ2000NR-HG is equivalent to Trinidad 16N. N stands for narrow spool.

  29. Olga Fleytman
    Olga Fleytman12-17-2016

    Hi Totos. I saw in your comments that you can send an arm handle of OJ 2001 reel. I am interested in buying it. How we proceed on? Thank you.

    • Totos
      Totos12-27-2016

      Hi Olga.
      OK. I will send you an email.

  30. Fun
    Fun01-24-2017

    Dear Totos,

    gratulations on a wonderful site, much enjoyed and learnt from. The Ocea Jigger 2001NR HG appears considerably discounted by a number of dealers lately. May this be a sign of an updated version in the near future? I am asking as this model has been around for quite some time now.

    • Totos
      Totos02-02-2017

      Hi Fun.
      I don’t think so. I’ve never heard about it and they just added OJ3000HG to the lineup. I don’t think they would do that if they were remodeling. But Osaka Fishing Show is just around the corner, and something may come out in that event.

      • Fun
        Fun02-03-2017

        Hi Totos.
        Thank you, your advice is much appreciated. Incredible job you do for the community.

  31. Bryan pahakin
    Bryan pahakin02-05-2017

    Hi totos,

    I have an oj 2001NrPg. I want to buy a handle specifically ae85/95aa. The problem is i cant find in som website a handle taht will fit a left hand handle. I will use the reel this coming Saulog Jigathon in Dipolog City, Philippines. Pls i need your help..

    • Totos
      Totos02-14-2017

      Hi Bryan.
      SOM handle can fit either right or left. Send me your information through contact form. I will send you a quote.
      I am coming to Saulog Jigathon!

  32. auvi
    auvi03-27-2017

    where can i get a copy of the OJ 2001 manual that’s in English?

    • Totos
      Totos04-10-2017

      There isn’t English manual.
      Let me know if you have specific questions.

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