Slow Pitch Jigging
=== QUESTION ===
I saw in the movie of Sato that he explaining how to reel when you retrieve the line (sometime full reel, sometime from 12 to 6 and more examples)
How much it's important?
And when to do this variation?
=== MY REPLY ===
You mean, he shows different reel action by how 1 crank per pitch, 1/2 and 1/4. Right?
It's just a variations of actions. Of course I use this technique a lot, 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8 cranks per pitch. If you see my video gallery, you will notice it. It creates small, what I call "hesitation moves." Not for a long time. 4 or 5 pitches in between other bigger actions. If you do too much, I think fish will see through it.
And like Sato Sensei explains, even with the same 1 crank per pitch action, the jig behaves differently by the direction to which you finish your crank. The same one full turn your reel. But you may finish to hold up at 12 o'clock, 6 o'clock or 9 o'clock. It all makes a difference.
What he's saying is that your body mechanics will be different. You may be lifting the rod and lifting the reel handle at the same time to the same direction. You may be lifting the rod but turning your reel handle down. As a result, the rod kicks differently. Minor details.
But all this is only true when you are vertical and have direct control. If you are not vertical, small reeling will not move the jig, and different reel turn may not make much difference.
So, if I were you, I wouldn't worry about it. At the beginning of learning this technique, focus on 1 full crank per pitch action, along with fast "invitation lifts". By repeating the same action, you will learn to feel the difference of water influence everytime you drop the jig. You will learn to feel the jig moving or not. You will learn to feel the different characters of each jigs.
Building that sense is most important in the beginning.
Then try to variegate your actions by energetic reel turn, medium and soft. Try reeling with or without falls. Try different rod motion range like 3 to 5 o'clock, 1 to 3 o'clock, and 0 to 6 o'clock.
=== QUESTION ===
I want to share with you that last week i catch my first AJ with the slow pitch. (8kg AJ).
But the thing is..that i didn't remember the moves that i done before i got the hit.. I also didn't count full reel from the bottom..
Is it so important?
=== MY REPLY ===
I know how it feels. When you first start jigging and get a contact, your mind just goes blank. It takes a while to keep your cool to figure out what's working while you are fishing.
But yes, counting is very important to make your fishing effective.
When the sounder shows fish only around the bottom or when it just shows structure that may hold fish, I may play only 5 meters off the bottom and keep repeating.
When there's fish at 10 meters off the bottom, I may go straight up 10 meters and slow pitch around that depth.
When I suspect multiple targets, I slow pitch for the first 5 meters with lots of falls (targeting demersal fish), then I speed up with series of 3 fast lists and 3 slow pitch up to 20 meters (targeting pelagic fish).
When I see a current layer in the sounder, I remember the depth, and I try to slow pitch before the layer, fast lifts to break through the curtain, and slow pitch on the other side.
When you hit a fish, it's very important to know how much margin you have from the bottom. No matter how small your fish feels in the beginning, it's important you lift up as much as you can. (Of course you should count that too.) Because it's pretty common that a big AJ turns its big body and starts running flat out 5, 6 seconds after the hit. You don't know that when you hit it, but you want as much margin as you can. When fish starts running, you will give away line. You retrieve it back when you can, and give it away again. Negotiating. And when you think you are close to the bottom, find a right timing to put on as much pressure as your line system possibly can hold, hoping that will make the fish run sideways, not directly downward. Then you decide if you can stop the run or not. If you decide you cannot, free the spool. Give away your line freely. Fish may feel relieved, and hopefully it starts swimming sideways. Your line may touch bottom structure, but if line is not tensioned, you may get away with that. After a little free run, you can bring back the fight on. The fight will be a lot easier when you have the fish in diagonal alignment. It's very tough in the beginning because you are vertical.
Sato Sensei says, "Give away your line, or you won't catch it."
To do all this, you need to know how far from the bottom you are.
When I started, I was taught to always count. But if your line has colored marks, you can remember the color of your line when you touched the bottom at that play. And when you are playing actions, you have a general idea of where you are by watching color marks. So at least watch the colors if you don't like to count.
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April 28, 2016 at 22:132
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April 29, 2016 at 08:23
Robbie Safadi Hi Totos got the jigs today they look great! Also now wanting jigs for 603-5 setup!
April 29, 2016 at 08:271
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April 29, 2016 at 09:041
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April 29, 2016 at 13:34
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April 29, 2016 at 20:29
Here's what I do to extend sashimi quality of my catch.
Please share your favorite cooking! If you know anything to preserve your fresh catch, that would be appreciated too!
Close first? Or drain blood first?
I have discussed this with my fellow anglers. Some insist that we should drain first while the heart is still pumping for maximum blood draining. It seemed to make some sense to me. But I still have a little doubt. I did some looking-into and found a research study by Marine Net Hokkaido.
BJ Tkg As always, the precious knowledge you shared is very useful. Arigatou gozaimashita Toto-san
April 20, 2016 at 20:001
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April 20, 2016 at 21:061
Nathan Donoghue Thanks Totos, I clicked a couple of banners for you. What's the paper called to wrap or cure the fish in called? I have a Japan trip comin up.
April 20, 2016 at 23:041
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April 21, 2016 at 00:21
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April 21, 2016 at 06:451
It turns out throwing your catch into iced sea water is not really a cool thing to do. Well, "too cool" so to speak.
Cooling rigor will cancel all the good effects that you close fish by Ike-jime for.
Jon Hsu Gary u may be onto something with the icky-jizzy
April 19, 2016 at 18:36
William Reid I always iki then on frozen ice bottles and comes out mint
April 19, 2016 at 18:561
Philip Bradford Brilliant study. Thank you Totos for once again sharing your information and knowledge. We are starting to catch Hairtail at this time of year here in Sydney. Would the ageing process be shorter than a fish like an Amberjack?
April 19, 2016 at 19:401
Roy Skea Very interesting information!!! Many thanks
April 19, 2016 at 19:501
Ee Tiong Teo Thanks for sharing Totos. Great article.
April 19, 2016 at 20:061
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April 19, 2016 at 21:01
Alvin Lim Thanks for sharing Toto..
April 19, 2016 at 23:061
Mitch Buck Thanks for sharing! How did you construct the shelf in your cooler? Also, if your planning to freeze fish for storage, do you follow the same steps?
April 20, 2016 at 02:141
Paulo Pagharion Darren Dy
April 23, 2016 at 20:59
Robbie Safadi Could you eat Amber jack as sushi?
April 24, 2016 at 09:30
Japanese Angler's Secrets Sorry. This one is sushi. http://fullofokinawa.com/the-best-fish-is-what-you-catch-and-cook/
April 24, 2016 at 18:39
I'm receiving messages from some people regarding the earthquakes that are hitting the south part of Japan.
Thank you so much, and I really appreciate your concerns and friendship.
We are OK. We are still far away from the rest of the country.
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April 16, 2016 at 18:421
Japanese Angler's Secrets shared Full of Okinawa's post.
Sharing from my other food blog.
=== QUESTION ===
How do I know I'm using soft, medium or hard action setting?
=== MY REPLY ===
When you reel, jerk up, and hold up the rod, the rod bends. The rod tries to spring back up but it's at conflict as the water is trying to pull the line down. Eventually the rod wins and springs up.
This is how slow pitch makes actions.
Actually, you never know what kind of action tone you are in until you drop the jig to the bottom and start making actions. It depends on relativity of the rod model against the jig weight, line, water depth, current, and verticality.
Roughly speaking, if you hold up the rod at 3 o'clock and the rod springs up slowly but completely, you are in medium action tone.
If the rod springs back fast, you are in strong action tone.
When the rod doesn't springs back completely at 3 o'clock, but it
springs up at 1 o'clock, or not completely at 1 o'clock either, you
are in soft action tone.
Sorry to be so blur in explaining. But it's a feeling. Hard to explain in words. There are continuous degrees in each action tone, and there's no clear boundaries between action tones. When the time passes and current changes, you are in a different action tone. Building this sense and judgement is one of the most important factors for constant success of slow pitch jigging, I think.
If you try changing different jig weights in the same situation, I think you will have an idea.
Frank IsabelBerroa Pictures of slow jigging in Florida, USA
April 9, 2016 at 22:26
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April 9, 2016 at 22:30
Frank IsabelBerroa Dry Tortugas with Capt. Yuri -
We were set up for a 3 day Tortugas trip with Capt. Yuri leaving Friday December 11th. On the trip were Jeff (AngryAngler), Yong (JiggingWorld), Ken, Ed, Gregg and me (benwah22).
We had a mix of bait and jig fisherman, but it all came together nicely. Jeff and I only used slow pitch jigs/setups during the daytime and Jeff caught all of his fish on jigs. Considering he filled a 100qt cooler, pretty impressive.
Jeff and I were using Temple Reef Levitates 1, 2 and 3, but mostly both used the #2 power. Yong and his buddy Ken had (not surprisingly) every possible combination of Jigging World Rods you could imagine. The bait guys (Ed and Gregg) had their assortment of bottom fishing gear.
Studio Ocean Mark Blue Heaven S2T, Maxel 30ch, Maxel Hybrid, Ocea Jigger 1500 limited, 2000NRHG, 3000 limited, Every variety of Jigging World Reel available
We headed offshore Friday afternoon and steamed west for about four hours before our first drop in 230ft of water, West of the Fort. It was just about dusk and a few king mackerel must have been passing through because there were several cut offs, but not much else. I got hit about halfway up the column by what felt like a big snapper (which was unusual due to how far off the bottom it hit), but it turned out to be a decent 8lb blackfin tuna. We then headed into a bit shallower water for the night anchor.
At the anchor spot we were in about 120 ft, Jeff nailed a nice Red Grouper just before the sun finally set. The first night was pretty uneventful as far as fishing goes. We bagged some yellowtail snapper but mostly there were a lot of sharks around that caused the bite to die. It was time to call it a night. Honestly, I was starting to get worried a little.
We were all up pretty early and ready to go when we moved to a series of spots between 90ft and 120ft. After the first few minutes the grouper bite absolutely turned on. Red grouper after red grouper came over the rail with the occasional snapper thrown in. A fish even hit a flatline king rig and peeled off like it was a mackerel . . . nope, another red grouper. We hit the fish til they slowed down biting and moved to a bit deeper water for some power drifts.
The next drops were over Yuri’s spots from 240ft to 350ft of water. Yuri lived up to the hype, and again, the grouper bite was on! I have never seen a wide open scamp bite before, but drop after drop they kept hitting slow pitch jigs. We didn’t even have time to get some of them in the cooler, and I was kicking scamps off the rail. It was a banner scamp bite and something I hope any angler that fishes the Tortugas gets to experience.
Once again the deeper water proved to be best for slow pitch jigs. Seafloor Control Abyss was just crushing the scamp grouper. Previously I had never caught a fish on one, but it proved to be deadly. Jeff landed a 30lb black grouper on slow pitch tackle using his Levitate 68-2, Maxel 30CH, 20lb Fireline and a SFC Cranky jig. Yong’s Jigging World 141 jigs in 250g also did excellent on the groupers and his smaller jigging reels cranked up some nice gags. SFC Rector also bagged a few scamps and several muttons in the deep water.
We then moved down for a sunset drop in 175ft which was apparently the mutton spot. Bait, jigs – didn’t matter, they were on fire for about half an hour before they shut off. We pulled up muttons up to 11 pounders. I think the colder water temps had a big influence on a slower mutton bite, but we got our share. REALS Plate Jerker worked again for muttons and the largest mutton of the trip was caught on a slow jig.
Saturday night the wind really picked up and we headed for shallower water. The seas got a little angry. Gregg and I spent a good portion of the night chumming up some flag yellowtails and mangroves. Once the sharks found us around midnight we called it a day.
Sunday morning we moved even shallower – around 50ft of water – and we got some more grouper, reds and gags. Sadly, it was time to head back to shore. We had a long haul in front of us and some rough seas to navigate before we got to the shelter of the Keys.
Overall, fishing with Capt. Yuri was everything it was hyped up to be. The man is flat out a great fisherman. More importantly, he knew exactly where to go, when to go there and when to leave. He didn’t waste time if the fish weren’t biting. He had what seemed like thousands of spots to choose from and he helped make it the best trip I’ve been on
(From the floridasportsman magazine)
April 9, 2016 at 22:321
Ari Wisata Very first time i tried on 30m depth, i got this little grouper :D
April 12, 2016 at 20:371
Tamer Ahmed Salem Wael El Masry
April 29, 2016 at 03:49
My fishing report for the other day. With video!
Chris Sach Thank you mister Totos for everything! ! You make my anticipation to start this technique unbearable. Can't wait....aargh
April 1, 2016 at 22:241
Robbie Safadi Going to Amberjack fishing in Lebanon towards 2nd week of may, Totos send these Jigs asap please you are teasing me with these pictures.
April 2, 2016 at 03:421
Japanese Angler's Secrets Hehehe. I like teasing. But I will send your order as soon as post office opens on Monday. Hold your breath!
April 2, 2016 at 10:13
John Doyle So that's how you do Slow Pitch Jigging! It looks like a dance. And what the f#*% is that long skinny orange fish with one eye? Strange ocean.
April 2, 2016 at 17:221
=== QUESTION ===
In one of your videos you said that you recognize the 2 water layers.. I was wandering how you manage to recognize them?
Can you explain to me??
=== MY REPLY ===
Sometimes you see a line of little bubbles underwater. It happens
when the conflict is strong between 2 different water layers.
Sometimes you see a school of fish and the shape has an unnaturally straight line on the top or on the bottom, like it's cut out with a knife.
The 2 layer boundary is like a wall for small fish. Big fish chase and push the school to the wall and the school shapes like it's been crashed to a wall.
This is where your jig will certainly get contacts. Some big fish
also hide and ambush behind the curtain. To them it's not a wall, and it's just a curtain. Because of the 2 different temperature water masses, you can't see or hear the other side. Sometimes a few bait fish are pushed beyond the curtain and they are easy targets for the ambushers. Also, some dash from behind the curtain blindly with their month open, into the school of fish in the other side. Because the bait fish do not see or hear behind the curtain, ambushers can attack without any warning.
You can also feel the layer from the line. That's what staying vertical and using sensitive tackles are for. You feel the jig heavy first, and suddenly it feels light.
When I think there may be a layer, say 15m off the bottom, I do slow pitch up to about 12m off the bottom, fast lift for about 5m to break through the curtain, then give a couple of slow pitch there (for about 3m). If I don't get a contact, I immediately drop 10m straight down, do a couple of slow pitch (there's a good chance here too), 5m fast lift through the curtain, another couple of slow pitch.
This is another reason why you should use 10m-marked line.
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April 1, 2016 at 16:001
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April 1, 2016 at 23:05
Mohd Hafizi Faiz Zulkefli Totos, ur explanation is awesome. Can imagine even though just reading ur article. Just like "hands on" tutorial on the boat. Thanks 4 ur sharing. 👍👍👍👍👍
April 2, 2016 at 13:222
Japanese Angler's Secrets shared your post.
Demir Emre Dear Totos congrats. Nice fishes. Murat Emre.
March 31, 2016 at 17:541
BJ Tkg Experienced angler and great chef ... What a perfect combination... Congrats..
March 31, 2016 at 18:101
Mark Crewe Nice catch mate I hope the cats got the scraps
March 31, 2016 at 18:471
Gary Sung What are those blue tags for?
March 31, 2016 at 20:282
Jon Hsu Is that an ice shelf it is on?
March 31, 2016 at 21:382
=== Question ====
A good friend of mine told me that Slow Jerker is good for shallow water up to 50m, but for deeper it is not a good rod. I didn't want to believe him but I would like to hear your opinion about it.
=== My Reply ====
Do not believe his words as they are. Without proper setting,
without proper application, without staying vertical, any slow pitch
jigging rod will not work.
But he is also an important information source. It sounds to me that he is saying "I can't get slow pitch jigging to work at deeper than 50m." You can find out why, and it will be a very valuable
information for you.
Find out what rod model he uses, with what jig weight, at what depth.
Find out what line he uses.
Find out if his boat was free-drifting, drifting with a sea-anchor, or
a captain was controlling the drift. How vertical can he stay with
Have him read my article below, and find out what he thinks of his own application compared to mine.
Slow pitch jigging is a whole concept. People say, "this jig works,
that jig doesn't.", "this rod is good and that rod isn't." But it's
never like that.
You have to look at a tree, but also you have to look at the forrest. If you look at the forrest, looking at a tree can tell you so much. But if you don't look at the forrest, you will have no idea what a tree is telling you.
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March 28, 2016 at 10:44
Chris Pfrunder Michael Pfrunder
March 28, 2016 at 10:54
Iskandar Bukan Alexander Mohd Idzaidin
March 28, 2016 at 11:05
Mega Tro Nix Michael Alcos
March 28, 2016 at 12:431
Ahmad Aizuddin Muhammad Redzuan
March 27, 2016 at 19:211
Yunus Salim Hafizi Muhammad Saiful Kamal Muhammad Zuhdi Mohamad
March 27, 2016 at 21:171
Hi I was wondering if I can fight the fish by using the rod's bend by holding up the slow jerker at the 3 o'clock position to maintain a working curve in the rod. Would this result in me breaking the slow jerker?
Japanese Angler's Secrets No no no. Don't worry about it. Slow Jerker won't break like that. It will make you work more, but some people like it that way. Just don't lift up to1 o'clock with a fish on.
March 15, 2016 at 00:01
Hi what depth can I use the Poseidon 603-2 on PE 2 with ocea nr2001 hd? Drap weight recommended setting?
Japanese Angler's Secrets Do you own 603-2 already? How is your boat operating while fishing? Free-drifting? Drifting with sea-anchor? Or controlled drift by the captain?
March 12, 2016 at 23:59
Robbie Safadi I own one already 603-2 came as a present so I am not too familiar with it! Drifting probably 1 not to 2 tons, depth about 100 meter, no anchor, currant not bad I suppose! Location lebanon, and England. Lebanon fish target grouper and amber jacks.
March 13, 2016 at 00:02
Robbie Safadi I need to buy lines and lures for them and leaders can I get your to organise for me?
March 13, 2016 at 00:03
Robbie Safadi As well as hooks, jig bag, claps the kit!
March 13, 2016 at 00:04
Japanese Angler's Secrets added 4 new photos.
Kanpachi (amberjack) is in its top season here in Okinawa! A fish party with the best tasty Kanpachi of the season so far. 5kg to 8kg Kapachi in Feb thru Apr is the best, I think.
from Full Of Okinawa
(This is my personal blog on Okinawa foods and restaurants.)
I've asked several questions and have yet to get a reply. Is anyone out there?
Japanese Angler's Secrets Where is your questions? Or you can write it here.
March 13, 2016 at 00:01
Jared Ingalls Does the line always have to be at a 90° angle from the tip of the rod? Even in fast current?
Ocea Jigger 1501HG good to use?
Shimano Game type J slow jigger B865 Max 400gm PE Max 3.5g
Too heavy for 30-60meter water depth?
Finally what slow jig weight do you recommend for this depth of water in slow? medium? And fast water current?
Sorry so many questions. Been trying to target these fish specifically slow jigging. Is it possible?
March 14, 2016 at 23:57
Japanese Angler's Secrets For the rod angle to the line, check out this article.
OJ1500HG is good. B865 is a bit heavy, but applicable. For medium action tone for the rod and the depth, the jig weight should probably from 180g to 230g. So the lighter jig will be in medium action tone. It depends on how vertical you are too.
March 18, 2016 at 19:10
Here is Mario from Malaysia on his recent fishing trip Burma Banks, Myanmar.
Jared Ingalls Prices and name of the charter or guide?
March 8, 2016 at 21:35
Japanese Angler's Secrets added 2 new photos.
Seafloor Control jigs on February batch has just landed a little late.
We have a new comer, Arrow 260g! This jig has been tested on a free-drifting boat in non-vertical alignment too. They even tested it on a spinning tackle for a good result with yellowtails. Great to swim and fall (or hovering) in diagonal alignment. You should check this out when you are after big ones! 260g Glow colors, JPY3050. Slow Jerker 603-5 or 603-6 class is advisable for 260g from a free-drifting boat. 603-4 class if in vertical alignment. Only 27 jigs in stock now.
Let me check up on them into the stock list first and I'll contact all of you on the wait list. Thank you very much for your patience. Let me remind you that I do first-come (email) first-serve.
Muhammad Issam Ambik ni la Saiful Azmi .... 260gram memang terbaek...
March 3, 2016 at 01:00
Ahmed Ganainy What do u think about Decoy egg snap instead of solid and split rings?
March 11, 2016 at 18:40
In reply to some requests, here's is an old article on kabura (tai rubber), inchiku, and tenya.
As a fishing method, kabura, inchiku and micro jigging are pretty much the same. They are all upward approach. Just different jigs.
Only Kabura is supposed to be steady retrieve with no actions. Inchiku and micro jig can be steady, or in actions but not much.
Tenya is downward approach. It falls slow wobbling to appeal. Like longfall technique.
Kabura, tenya and micro jigging are supposed to be done on super light line under PE1.0. Inchiku can on light line as slow pich jigging.
William Rick Goh Marc Kee Oh Ichikawa
February 28, 2016 at 12:30
Eric Seow Thom Tham Chris Tan Nelson Teo Ng Kam Ka KY Hing
February 28, 2016 at 16:16
Yunus Salim Hafizi Muhammad Saiful Kamal Muhammad
February 28, 2016 at 17:09